“When the Holy Spirit came, all of those boxes were broken… and sometimes I feel like we’ve spent the last 2,000 years trying to put God back into that box again.”

– Usha Reifsnider

What does it look like for churches to become truly intercultural – not just diverse in attendance, but deeply shaped by one another’s cultures, backgrounds, stories and gifts?

In this episode, Jason Roach is joined by Usha Reifsnider and David Wise. Together they unpack the biblical vision and everyday practice of building churches where people from every background are welcomed, discipled and able to contribute fully.

Drawing on the books of Acts and Revelation, and decades of leadership experience, they explore how God’s Spirit breaks down barriers of language, ethnicity, class and culture – and why the church is called to be a foretaste of that heavenly gathering.

Usha shares how food, hospitality and small acts of kindness can open doors to faith across generations. And David reflects on Greenford Baptist’s long journey towards becoming a “tapestry” of people whose differences reveal more of God’s beauty.

As one of this season’s church-focused conversations, this episode invites us to begin with curiosity, humility and patient relationship-building – learning to listen, share life, accept discomfort and make space for others to be fully seen in Christ.